Comments on: 3-Way Links http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/ Eric Giguere's AdSense Tips Mon, 02 Jan 2012 15:55:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Steve http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/comment-page-1/#comment-743 Steve Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:15:00 +0000 http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/#comment-743 This seems to be another example of a scheme that won't take Google long to figure out (If they haven't already) and put an end to. But there is no shortage of folks who will buy into it regardless of the cost. This seems to be another example of a scheme that won’t take Google long to figure out (If they haven’t already) and put an end to. But there is no shortage of folks who will buy into it regardless of the cost.

]]> By: Chuck http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/comment-page-1/#comment-736 Chuck Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:20:38 +0000 http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/#comment-736 Understood, Eric. I guess my point is that...by the time a "tactic" like this gets systematized like this, it's way too late to be far enough ahead of the curve to really gain from it... assuming that's the way one chooses to operate in the first place. And, since this service isn't free to begin with...it seems a lot smarter to me to outsource link acqusition for that same amount of money or less. And you don't have to worry about reciprocating or making anybody mad going that route. Lastly, this kind of linking is really the lowest level of available linking options. Swapping content for links makes much more sense to me. In my view, it's well within the spirit of what "a web" should be about. Yes, it's time-consuming... but even the most time-cosuming aspects of creation of decent content can be outsourced for those who have no time of their own. Understood, Eric. I guess my point is that…by the time a “tactic” like this gets systematized like this, it’s way too late to be far enough ahead of the curve to really gain from it… assuming that’s the way one chooses to operate in the first place.

And, since this service isn’t free to begin with…it seems a lot smarter to me to outsource link acqusition for that same amount of money or less. And you don’t have to worry about reciprocating or making anybody mad going that route.

Lastly, this kind of linking is really the lowest level of available linking options. Swapping content for links makes much more sense to me. In my view, it’s well within the spirit of what “a web” should be about. Yes, it’s time-consuming… but even the most time-cosuming aspects of creation of decent content can be outsourced for those who have no time of their own.

]]> By: Eric Giguere http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/comment-page-1/#comment-734 Eric Giguere Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:51:17 +0000 http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/#comment-734 Chuck, N-way linking is by no means new, experts have been practicing it for a long time now. But it requires a lot of effort and expense to do yourself. What 3 Way Links is doing is automating it to reduce the barrier to entry. Alex, thanks for mentioning your plugin here. I've noted it before and meant to look at it at some point, maybe now's the time. After all, it's not like my regular readers click AdSense ads anyhow... :-) Chuck, N-way linking is by no means new, experts have been practicing it for a long time now. But it requires a lot of effort and expense to do yourself. What 3 Way Links is doing is automating it to reduce the barrier to entry.

Alex, thanks for mentioning your plugin here. I’ve noted it before and meant to look at it at some point, maybe now’s the time. After all, it’s not like my regular readers click AdSense ads anyhow… :-)

]]> By: Chuck http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/comment-page-1/#comment-733 Chuck Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:49:50 +0000 http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/#comment-733 I have no issue whatever with buying or selling ads. Advertising is a respected tradition worldwide. But I agree with Google's intent here (even though I don't know how they are going to enforce it yet)...just differentiate which ones are paid, rather than also trying to scam some extra results in the SERPs from it. We ALL lose if someone can BUY their way to the top position on Google (not that it hasn't happened many times before...but they are certainly trying to weed out that kind of stuff over time). Sounds like your plugin has that covered with the nofollow. I'll definitely take a look at that! I have no issue whatever with buying or selling ads. Advertising is a respected tradition worldwide. But I agree with Google’s intent here (even though I don’t know how they are going to enforce it yet)…just differentiate which ones are paid, rather than also trying to scam some extra results in the SERPs from it. We ALL lose if someone can BUY their way to the top position on Google (not that it hasn’t happened many times before…but they are certainly trying to weed out that kind of stuff over time).

Sounds like your plugin has that covered with the nofollow. I’ll definitely take a look at that!

]]> By: Alex Choo http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/comment-page-1/#comment-731 Alex Choo Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:43:41 +0000 http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/#comment-731 Hi. I'm a little cautious about such a scheme. TLA is a nice brokered-program that got into 'trouble' with Google too. But you can manage your own ad campaigns by using WP Text Ads. I'm the developer of this free WordPress plugin that lets bloggers sell directly to advertisers, so they pay no commissions and get paid instantly. Advertisers can buy ads for the whole blog, the home page, or per-post. And you're not likely to get into trouble with Google since the links have the rel="nofollow" attribute on by default, although it can be turned off. Do consider this alternative :) http://www.wptextads.com http://www.wptextads.com/blog Hi.

I’m a little cautious about such a scheme. TLA is a nice brokered-program that got into ‘trouble’ with Google too.

But you can manage your own ad campaigns by using WP Text Ads.

I’m the developer of this free WordPress plugin that lets bloggers sell directly to advertisers, so they pay no commissions and get paid instantly.

Advertisers can buy ads for the whole blog, the home page, or per-post.

And you’re not likely to get into trouble with Google since the links have the rel=”nofollow” attribute on by default, although it can be turned off.

Do consider this alternative :)

http://www.wptextads.com
http://www.wptextads.com/blog

]]> By: Chuck http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/comment-page-1/#comment-730 Chuck Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:38:23 +0000 http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/#comment-730 I understand the "make your money and get out" philosophy. Many people have gotten rich going this route. On the other hand, it's a lousy strategy for building long-term value...and the opposite of building long-term value leaves you with nothing but a short-term score. But even that path assumes that you're way out ahead of the crowd. Three-way linking was brand new 3 years ago. At least, that's when I first heard of it...and I don't play in these waters, so I'm sure it was going on well before that. If you're going to go the "first in, first out" route, you need to be a lot closer to the thought leaders in this area in order to make it work. I don't go this route at all, because it's ridiculously time-consuming and the idea of using my time to make my little corner of the internet worth something for ourselves and future generations is not a game to me. There's plenty of money out there to be made by doing it the right way. If you've been paying attention at all in this life, one lesson that comes pretty easy to those that are listening is that "seeking quick and easy paths to become rich almost always leads to a bad end". So... if you choose to live that way, don't be surprised and pissed at the world if you get cut off at the knees. That's your bed...you made it...now lie down and enjoy it! LOL... I understand the “make your money and get out” philosophy. Many people have gotten rich going this route. On the other hand, it’s a lousy strategy for building long-term value…and the opposite of building long-term value leaves you with nothing but a short-term score. But even that path assumes that you’re way out ahead of the crowd.

Three-way linking was brand new 3 years ago. At least, that’s when I first heard of it…and I don’t play in these waters, so I’m sure it was going on well before that. If you’re going to go the “first in, first out” route, you need to be a lot closer to the thought leaders in this area in order to make it work.

I don’t go this route at all, because it’s ridiculously time-consuming and the idea of using my time to make my little corner of the internet worth something for ourselves and future generations is not a game to me. There’s plenty of money out there to be made by doing it the right way.

If you’ve been paying attention at all in this life, one lesson that comes pretty easy to those that are listening is that “seeking quick and easy paths to become rich almost always leads to a bad end”. So… if you choose to live that way, don’t be surprised and pissed at the world if you get cut off at the knees. That’s your bed…you made it…now lie down and enjoy it! LOL…

]]> By: Alex Ion http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/comment-page-1/#comment-729 Alex Ion Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:28:16 +0000 http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/#comment-729 Eric you're so right! I'm not choosing that model because Google may put a STOP sign tomorrow :) but I agree make your money and get off the train! Eric you’re so right!

I’m not choosing that model because Google may put a STOP sign tomorrow :) but I agree make your money and get off the train!

]]> By: Eric Giguere http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/comment-page-1/#comment-725 Eric Giguere Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:27:03 +0000 http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/#comment-725 Great article, Chuck. I look forward to reading part 2. I like the bio boxes you give the authors, it's very prominent and SEO-friendly.... Alex, I think Google can already detect directed cycles in their link graph, but they may not be doing much about it right now. If enough people start participating in 3-way link schemes then they will. That's why these things are always short term strategies. Get in early and make your money now is my advice if that kind of business model appeals to you... Great article, Chuck. I look forward to reading part 2. I like the bio boxes you give the authors, it’s very prominent and SEO-friendly….

Alex, I think Google can already detect directed cycles in their link graph, but they may not be doing much about it right now. If enough people start participating in 3-way link schemes then they will. That’s why these things are always short term strategies. Get in early and make your money now is my advice if that kind of business model appeals to you…

]]> By: Alex Ion http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/comment-page-1/#comment-724 Alex Ion Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:53:28 +0000 http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/#comment-724 I wonder how much will it take until Google will be able to figure 3-way linking schemes. Take a look at John Chow that lost his "make money online" and "john chow" from the SERPs. I don't think something that is not natural, will work. I wonder how much will it take until Google will be able to figure 3-way linking schemes.

Take a look at John Chow that lost his “make money online” and “john chow” from the SERPs.

I don’t think something that is not natural, will work.

]]> By: Chuck http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/comment-page-1/#comment-722 Chuck Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:58:03 +0000 http://www.memwg.com/3-way-links/#comment-722 Funny that you should bring this up, Eric. I just wrote an article on linking today (more of a general introdction on anything in depth). This was the part I wrote on 3-Way Linking (the concept, not this company): Three-Way Linking - "He scratches my back, I'll scratch yours, you scratch hers." No, it's nothing kinky. It's just another technique that helps to break the obviousness of a straight reciprocal link trade by involving a third party (or at least a third site). This isn't illegal, or immoral...and it's harder to spot...but there is still a level of manipulation involved. If you do it, again...do it with those who have relevant sites...and don't do it often. On a personal level, I've done a lot of reciprocal linking in the distant past...but in reviewing those that I linked to...they were not on topic, and many of the links were exchanged with people who were in it for a quick buck. The sites were gone a year later, and I was left to clean up the mess and with no lasting benefit. Again, I will argue...the place to put your effort is in helpful content. Uniqueness and value make your site or blog a prime target for linking, because Page and Brin were right...we DO link to what we like (thereby, referring it to others). Linking games are for those who don't have anything unique to offer. So artificial links ain't the worst thing in the world...especially for your early efforts. But they are a lousy long-term strategy. Oh, by the way, the link to Part 1 of that article is here: http://street-buzz.com/articles/13/1/Keys-to-Web-Site-Traffic/Page1.html Funny that you should bring this up, Eric. I just wrote an article on linking today (more of a general introdction on anything in depth). This was the part I wrote on 3-Way Linking (the concept, not this company):

Three-Way Linking – “He scratches my back, I’ll scratch yours, you scratch hers.” No, it’s nothing kinky. It’s just another technique that helps to break the obviousness of a straight reciprocal link trade by involving a third party (or at least a third site). This isn’t illegal, or immoral…and it’s harder to spot…but there is still a level of manipulation involved. If you do it, again…do it with those who have relevant sites…and don’t do it often.

On a personal level, I’ve done a lot of reciprocal linking in the distant past…but in reviewing those that I linked to…they were not on topic, and many of the links were exchanged with people who were in it for a quick buck. The sites were gone a year later, and I was left to clean up the mess and with no lasting benefit. Again, I will argue…the place to put your effort is in helpful content. Uniqueness and value make your site or blog a prime target for linking, because Page and Brin were right…we DO link to what we like (thereby, referring it to others). Linking games are for those who don’t have anything unique to offer. So artificial links ain’t the worst thing in the world…especially for your early efforts. But they are a lousy long-term strategy.

Oh, by the way, the link to Part 1 of that article is here:

http://street-buzz.com/articles/13/1/Keys-to-Web-Site-Traffic/Page1.html

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